Beginner's Guide To The Third Eye

MESSAGES FROM MONEY

• Krista Rauschenberg • Season 1 • Episode 2

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In this episode we are joined by Ellen Rogin who is a money expert and financial intuitive. She helps people transform their relationships with money so they can have happier, more abundant lives. Her book, Picture Your Prosperity, was a New York Times bestseller, and her work has been featured on CNBC, ABC, NPR, TIME, and Oprah Magazine.

And our willing participant is Amanda who was kind enough to share her thoughts and insights on her experience.  She is currently in a career transition so this is an interesting time to explore with her.  She was working as an attorney but over the last few years, she paused to be at home and raise her young children and is currently looking to transition back into the workplace.

Ellen:

I really love to help people ease their suffering around money. I feel very grateful that money has chosen me as one of the people that it talks through. I know I'm not the only one, but it feels really like a gift and this is really why I left my financial advisory practices to make a bigger impact for people.

Krista:

Welcome to the Beginner's Guide to the Third Eye, the podcast that delves into the profound realms of spiritual experiences, exploring the dedicated practitioners and various modalities that guide us on our transformative path. Together, we will explore the mystical, the magical, the enlightened, and the sacred. In each episode, we pair seasoned practitioners, spiritual experiences, or healing modalities, and a willing participant to share their experience in working together. We will explore the unique insights, stories, and wisdom gained from their own profound journeys, unveiling the extraordinary narratives that shape spiritual seekers and practitioners alike. My name is Krista Rauschenberg and my work as a healer has emerged from hundreds of hours of certified training, spiritual initiations, direct experience, and deep personal work. I have been employed in the healing arts as a postpartum doula, an advanced Akashic reader, an Akashic breathwork practitioner, and a writer. Facilitating and educating people through their personal, spiritual, and healing journeys is my greatest source of happiness.

El:

And I'm Elle Larson. I use sound and space to help balance internal and external environments. I've practiced holistic healing modalities for over 20 years, and my work includes Tibetan bull sound healing, feng shui, reiki, and shamanism.

Krista:

Welcome once again to The Beginner's Guide to the Third Eye where we demystify the mystical. I don't think there's a person on the planet that doesn't have some form of complication with and around money. Our belief about money is often very tied to our belief about ourselves and our self worth. What makes it even more challenging is that these beliefs may not be our own. They may be beliefs we inherited from our family and have little to no idea about. Needless to say, our relationship with money is incredibly important and often fraught. It's a relationship that we all struggle with on some level. And it doesn't make it any easier that as a society, we keep conversations about money in the shadows. It seems like no one ever wants to talk about money ever Let's welcome our guests for this episode of messages from money. We are lucky enough to have Ellen Rogan, who is a money expert and financial intuitive. She helps people transform their relationships with money so that they can have a happier, more abundant life. Her book picture your prosperity was a New York times bestseller, and her work has been featured on CNBC, ABC, NPR time, and Oprah magazine. Ellen's consultations help people gain insights on how to grow their businesses, expand their wealth, and bring an increased sense of peace around money. She is also a sought after speaker and has trained and coached thousands of conscious financial advisors and entrepreneurs worldwide to use the art of prosperity to grow their businesses and their wealth. And our willing participant is Amanda, who is kind enough to share her thoughts and insights on her experience. Amanda is currently in a career transition, so this is an interesting time to explore with her. She was working as an attorney, but over the last few years, she paused to be at home and raise her young children. And is currently looking to transition back into the workplace. Welcome ladies. I'm so happy to have you here. Ellen. I love an origin story and a big part of why we wanted to bring this podcast to life was to showcase energy workers and demystify what they do, how they do it and why. So I'd love to learn more about you and get a bit of your background. What was your first experience with the metaphysical world and how did this work come to you? And how has your life unfolded to get you where you are today?

Ellen:

I'll speak in terms of how it unfolded and the work that I'm currently doing now. I was always open and a seeker, but very quiet about that part of my life in my traditional business career. For years, I was a traditional financial advisor. I have lots of letters after my name and I had my own wealth management firm and I was, quiet about some of the things I did outside of work because I didn't want people to think I wasn't managing their money well or wasn't grounded in the material world. So I didn't tell them I studied feng shui and I go to see intuitives and all that stuff, unless I knew they would be open to that. And then about a year before I. sold my practice. I had an experience at a workshop with some kind of speaker, coachy type people. And in the evening they did a special program for us. And one of the things we were working on was intuition. We were paired with, partners for different exercises. And this one pairing the theme was money. So I was working, With this guy, James, who I knew a little bit, but not well. And the way the activity worked is that he was to think about an issue with money. I had my hands on his back and when he turned around, I was supposed to deliver some kind of message. James turns around and out of my mouth comes, fuck you for thinking that you can't be spiritual and have money in your life, I don't even want to be around you and James pulls out from his shirt. And he said, Ellen, this is the patron saint of poverty. And he had a pendant on his neck. And he said, one of my clients gave this to me, took it off, put it down. And then I stood next to him, grabbed his hand and start walking with him. And I was like, Oh, now I want to be with you. When this whole thing was over. I'm like, what just happened? Like, I love to swear, but not at people and not at people. I don't know. Certainly not in a professional setting. And clearly the words coming out of my mouth were not mine. It was as if I was. It's channeling a message from money. And when it was over, I spoke with the workshop leader and he's Oh, that was just tapping into your intuition. I was like, really? And so I started playing with that because I was so curious. And what ended up transpiring since then was that I've created a process where I journal and that's the way that I talk to what feels to me like the energy of money. And I'm able to. Download messages or ideas that seem to be very helpful and right on target with the people that I meet with.

Krista:

Wow. It's extraordinary. So is it automatic writing and do you have to preface it with any rituals or grounding or meditation? What do you have to do to prepare to connect?

Ellen:

Yeah, so I have, more recently started to be asking for more guidance, but basically I just start typing and trust what comes through. So I'll type, hi, money, what messages do you have for Amanda or Krista or whoever I'm working with? And learned to really, trust what's coming through because every time I Start to question. I'm like, really, is that right? And then I talked to someone later and they're like no, that was right on for me. I realized that I'm getting in my own way or being of service to people. So I guess that would be automatic writing. I really did start a journaling practice before all this happened, where I was tapping into bigger messages or just trusting that. And I think that was maybe the warm up to starting to tap into more specific messages around money for people.

Krista:

Does the energy of money have a certain characteristic. Can you tell it's money versus when you journal and tap into something else And just the energy of money or the personality, let's say changed. Given different individuals that you're channeling it for,

Ellen:

Let me answer the last question. 1st, I'm absolutely getting different messages for the people that I'm working with. An example would be, there's a guy I'm friends with who I was telling about this work, and it wasn't like, he'd ever done anything in this realm. He'd never had his chart done or see somebody who was more intuitive. And, I did a session with him and when we were done, he's like, Ellen, did you dial down the woo for me? Because that was just like, we were talking about money. It didn't feel uncomfortable or unusual for me. And when he said that, I realized that what comes through feels like it's a message that is in a, Way that the person I'm meeting with can most here. Sometimes I'll get a meditation that's downloaded that I walk someone through that clear stuff away. sometimes it's very practical for people. You know, My background is as a financial advisor. So. It will be like, Hey, do you guys have an estate plan? Or if you, you know, very kind of financial planning, like, and sometimes it's not like that at all, or it's more focused on someone's business. I just did a session for someone that the whole thing was on how she made her offers in her business and how she was putting herself out there in the world. So it was almost like a marketing consultation that I just trusted what was coming through. So it's really different.

Krista:

That's so wonderful. Amanda, tell us a bit about your background. What was your first experience with the metaphysical world and what kind of readings or healings have you had before this?

Amanda:

I have a pretty practical background having, been a lawyer in my prior professional life. So very analytical, and always open to, Mental health, meditation, yoga, not quite sure how I felt about the metaphysical, to be honest, and then I think in the last, year, my curiosity has blossomed I dubbed March my woo woo month, which has now, like, expanded into, like, okay, this is really something that, for me at least, is a curiosity that goes long beyond just March, I've done an Akashic Records reading, I've, done some shamanic journeying, but I'm really, kind of a, like, a big newbie into this and, also not entirely sure how I'm feeling about it because I'm still very much in my analytical mind. But really very curious and open and awestruck by everything that I've been experiencing.

Krista:

I like that you dedicated a month for it. Good planning. No, but you know, you gotta have a plan And that you were willing to go beyond that says a lot. Ellen, tell me more about how you hear money. What does it sound like? How does it come through? Is it a knowing? Do you literally hear it? How does the process work for you?

Ellen:

It mostly feels like a knowing. I'm used to doing my process through writing, but it's not specifically a thinking thing. So when I work with someone, I'll usually ask for some information up front and often I'll read that and all of a sudden I'll get just ideas or feelings about what would be helpful for them. Or I can meet someone or be on a conversation with them. And to that extent, it might be more of a feel. I'm like, oh, my God, they are freaking out about their money and I can sense that there's incredible fear that they have. That's what it feels mostly like. Knowing in which is interesting for me coming out of this very analytical left brain world to not have the thinking part of it, but more of a knowing process feels really different than what I was used to doing professionally.

Krista:

I'm sure. And I can imagine that the trust aspect is essential to let it flow through you and not put your human in to judge it or criticize it. You've been doing this a long time, I'm interested in themes you may have found. What are common relationship qualities with money?

Ellen:

One of the things I see quite often is worry around money and what money tells me all the time is. please stop worrying If we think about if we can widen back and be logical about it, the logical left brain side of me knows that research shows when people are really freaked out about money. There's research that shows your IQ actually drops and you can't make good decisions. Yet, when it comes to money issues if people have big decisions up or it feels like there's not enough money coming in. Many of us can feel like of course, I'm going to worry about this of course, and it is not helpful. It feels like we're doing something. I think when we're worrying, but it actually slows things down and inhibits our ability to find solutions and people with less means cannot believe that people with lots of money worry. But it's not based on your income levels. Yes, if you really don't have enough to feed your family or pay for housing, that's a different kind of stress. But, very wealthy clients that I've worked with worry that they're going to lose what they have, or that they aren't confident they're making good decisions there was a woman I worked with whose husband brought in all the money and she just wasn't trusting her own wisdom around it. And the truth was, he wasn't making sound decisions in some ways, but she didn't have her relationship with money, solidified. The other thing I think is very helpful for people is this metaphor that we do have a relationship with money, just like you'd have a relationship with anyone else in your life. Some people may get that and I know I have a relationship with money, but they only look at it 1 sided what's money doing for me? But they're not looking at how are you in the relationship with money? Are you. A jealous partner. Are you looking for just a hookup? Are you using money? You're really thrilled with it when it's there or you pay attention when you need it and then you ignore it other ways. Money wants to be there for people money wants to have a great relationship. And he really wants it to be a two way street.

Krista:

Money is a powerful energy, no doubt. But what I learned from this is that it is also a very loving and benevolent energy, and it's incredibly misunderstood. We're all in fear of it in a way, and it just wants to help and love us. How would you working so closely with it, characterize the spirit or personality of money?

Ellen:

Yeah, I would say that you said it beautifully, Krista, that money wants to be used as a force for good in the world. I can imagine someone saying, yeah, but it hasn't been there for me. And I've had major financial issues or difficulties. And I'm not saying, that doesn't happen. What I hear often is when those things happen. It's not a punishment. It's not like you deserved to be struggling with money. Money sees it as really a way to help for growth for us to learn to maybe do the work you're supposed to most do. There is a woman who I worked with who is a health coach and during, the 2008 recession, she had a bunch of, workout facilities and they lost it all and they ended up going bankrupt. In 2009, she started doing online fitness training. She has a YouTube channel and then COVID hits and it's very clear how she was setting herself up for great success and to support her friends who were also trainers and things because she, went through that very difficult time, but it set her up for future success.

Krista:

Isn't that amazing? Amanda, tell me what, if any, reservations you had, coming into the session.

Amanda:

I think one was, my analytical mind, as open as I am, this underlying, disbelief wondering if this could be real, But hoping it is, I think I was really excited, Krista, honestly, because I was at a juncture in my life where, money was, playing a very huge role in my transition back to the workforce and my relationship with money felt very complex. So I think I had a lot of hope and excitement and also disbelief that you, introduced me to Ellen when you did, because that was in and of itself a moment where I was like, that seems just like something else is at play in the metaphysical of sorts.

Krista:

I would agree with that because I didn't know that you were having question. Right. And so after this all happened, I thought, isn't it divinely intelligently designed that you two were brought together. So that you could have this kind of unearthing and awakening and support really.

Amanda:

Yeah. Really excited and grateful. And Ellen, you mentioned your forms and the forms that you fill out. As I was filling them out, I was thinking to myself, I don't know what information to put on here for two reasons. One, I think wanting to provide enough information, but not too much information to jade whatever messaging was going to be received. And also I think a part of me was, not wanting to share enough to be like, I wonder if Ellen will just know, which totally is not helpful. I recognize in, in retrospect.

Ellen:

I just want to say people do that all the time. I appreciate when people give me a lot of information that's helpful. And sometimes they're not descriptive and they still get a good experience. I think it helps me focus and make it more pinpointed when I know more, but it's not uncommon what you were thinking.

Krista:

Can I speak to that because I, have the experience too when people are skeptical and they don't wanna open up and share. And I think all that does in giving information, any kind of information, whatever it is, it's a willingness and an openness and it really does open up the energy. I've had experiences where I can feel like a connection point happen and then energy just starts flowing. As much as they give information, it's more that they're giving energy and they're sharing and they're accepting the connection. It's an agreement in a way. Amanda tell us where you are now in terms of your life and your relationship to money.

Amanda:

Going back to my own capacity to make money, as a lawyer which is where I started out, I, made a fair amount of money, but it didn't feel right or healthy or, good for me, and my family goals in my health. So I paused, I had a kid, I tried to make law fit again, and I, made enough money, but Again, it wasn't feeling right. And I think at this juncture, I have two young kids and I'm feeling pretty strongly that have a professional path that I want to pursue and a calling that if I'm being honest, if I look back even further, has been like a tickle in my mind for a really long time and I want to pursue it. And I think it's, wanting to make a difference, wanting to be of service Block of sorts, or what has felt like a block of how could I possibly make money and be of service? So it's something that I'm really grappling with as I'm going back into the workforce of, this notion of needing and wanting to support my family, but not wanting to go back into a big legal environment. But wouldn't that be easy because then it would bring money in.

Krista:

And also all the time, energy, expense, and the investment of training to be a lawyer, and then to perhaps abandon that, there's got to be a lot of guilt or shame or, critical thinking around that. so to listen to an intercalling and, try to find that path is, hero making, incredibly challenging to you have to really dig deep to understand who you are and what you need, aside from what society would tell you what you're programming or what you're conditioning through perhaps family of origin or society. It's a lot. You're in a really tender time in your life.

Amanda:

Yeah. And the thing I didn't share with Ellen that I wish I had shared with her at the outset was, this childhood messaging from my parents, that it's not possible to make money and make a difference and that someone needed to make money. It was placing money in service, at diametrically opposed ends. And that's been messaging in my mind forever.

Krista:

Where are you with that now? have you begun to reconcile that or even, approached it?

Amanda:

I re listened to our session a bunch of times, money so clearly came across in that session as a benevolent energy for me. And in retrospect, it has always showed up for me. But I, couldn't hear the messaging during our session because I was so confused almost, and just like cloudy. Cause I had this opposed messaging from my childhood that made it almost hard to hear the positive side.

Krista:

Were you expecting for it to be punitive for you to be in trouble?

Amanda:

It was like a non compute. I can't explain it other than that. It was like, but how could we be friends if I so very much want to go in this direction professionally and couldn't possibly make money doing that but during our session, Ellen you were very clearly telling me opposite messaging for money.

Ellen:

And then we did a follow up with that question of you can't make money and do good in the world. First of all, so people listening to this, no, that's not necessarily true. It may have been true for your father. It was a belief that he had times were different than, or that was what made sense for him. But 28 years, I was a financial advisor and my business. grew substantially once I landed in being of service versus trying to make a lot of money and my business during the recession grew 40%, which is a big deal considering the way that financial advisors typically get paid. I had switched from focusing on how this serves me to, oh my gosh, people need me more than ever. They need me more than ever. They're freaked out about money. And the financial advisors that I work with, because that's some of the speaking that I do and some one on one work I do, all see their work as a healing profession. That's a profession where people can make a ton of money and do good in the world. It might be the way we approach the work that we do versus how we think of it. I bet there's attorneys in every kind of law that see how they're deeply serving people. And I'm not saying that's what you should go back into doing, Amanda, but it's not just you have to be in a not for profit or social enterprise to be doing good.

Krista:

What do you think, Amanda?

Amanda:

Yeah, I think that is exactly true. And I think that's what led me to law to begin with was this desire to show that one could make a difference and make money, at the same time. Like a double down effect, I'm going to prove my parents wrong, I have been fighting me against money to show that I can make a difference and make money. But what if it doesn't work that way? What if the concept of money as an energy, like you're going to be stagnant if you're just going against it and there's not going to be a flow of energy.

Krista:

You can also get used to and normalize going against it. And forget that you're going against it and think that's your only choice, that you're always going to be fighting with money. That's so fascinating. How, have things shifted for you since having this conversation with money. Has it opened up things and I know with energetic endeavors, it takes time it's not a quick fix. It takes time to unearth these beliefs, and then reconcile them. What have you been experiencing since?

Amanda:

Ellen asked me a question that was so spot on to what I was trying to seek to explore and this next step that was validating of sorts. And I also at first was like, how did she know? And it threw me a little bit, but that was validating.

Krista:

You mean that money through Ellen highlighted something that you had been thinking about doing and she brought it up organically through this channel, being witnessed like that. Did that encourage you to pursue that, in a different way with a different energy?

Amanda:

It was a little bit like, okay, there's something there, I had given myself through September to figure out how to make money and go in this path. And it feels like that might be superficial. So there was like a releasing of that Ellen gave me this wonderful, imagery to a spigot. And that was super helpful, like not forcing a spigot on for money, but letting it be a slower process. That's exciting. So all that was validating,

El:

I'm curious of your experience during the session. You mentioned that there's this disconnect between, your perception about money and service. What else came up for you as far as responses to what she was saying or any emotions that you were going through

Amanda:

yeah, one of them was this amazingly insightful, intuitive question that was so spot on, with regards to what I'm trying to pursue, and Ellen asked exactly on the topic with regards to women's health and it threw me out of the session for a little bit. I think I visibly groaned, so trying to get my head back in the session was hard

El:

because she had pinpointed that.

Amanda:

Yeah.

El:

And you weren't expecting that.

Amanda:

Wondering how she knew. I'm like, did she Google me? But that's not on Google. It was like this whole line of thoughts that, that came about, instead of a trust in an initial trust.

Ellen:

Okay, so welcome. I thought it would be helpful for me to explain a little bit about my process with you before we get into this. That sound good. Yeah, that would be great. Thank you. Thank you for giving me the information that you gave me ahead of time. My process is that. I, talk with money on your behalf. And the way that I do that is I journal. So I have all these notes for you, which I will give to you. That's awesome. My experience has been that the transformation has the things that people come away with. often happen in our conversation as we're talking about this. So I think you'll get value from these messages for money, but there's going to be points where I'm naturally going to stop and ask you questions, but I encourage you to share as much as you want. The other thing that I've experienced is that sometimes Right after this session, people are during it, they feel a shift or sometimes it's, days or weeks or sometimes even a little bit longer transformation seems to happen. And I honestly don't always know the mechanism behind it. So I wrote high money. What messages do you have for me for Amanda? What would you like me to share with her? Please do not be afraid. We are waiting for you to step into service in a new way, a way that continues to support you and your family, a way that uses your skills, your energy, your creativity, and your intuition to support others. And then this question came up. Does working with women or women's issues interest you? I don't know where you're at with your thinking about what your next steps are. If you've started to envision what that might look like.

Amanda:

Is that really the question that just came up? Oh um, yes. Actually, that's like totally the direction I am going in because I've, I guess the past few months I've been trying to share my story with postpartum, depression and mood disorders and hormones and mental health, to take my story and be able to translate it into some sort of advocacy work as well as community building, for other women to be able to start talking about this stuff. Or continue, cause there is a lot that exists, but there's also a lot more that could be beneficial. So I've been trying to do that the last few months, but. I don't know how I could possibly, make money, to support my family doing that work. And that's not where my training necessarily lies, my professional prior life. And just this morning I had an interview on a blog for postpartum stuff. And my whole morning has been trying to like pump myself up to have courage to. Share and respond and do that, but I don't know how that could possibly make me money, right? I think the reason why I reacted to you so strongly was because I left that out of my, I left that part out of my description to you. I want to be of service and help others. And I don't know how I could possibly make money.

Ellen:

Let me finish this and let's talk about, how you can start to envision that. This is an area that you can be of great value. There are many ways you can manifest and in many different organizations. It feels like an environment with confident feminine energy would be fertile for your continued growth. Fertile. Interesting word

Krista:

One of the more profound messages that I took away from your session was when money said to you, let's start with our relationship. Do you sometimes see me as a necessary evil? Is there something that I do to pollute people when I am in their lives? What a concept to have to reconcile, to have to shift your perspective of money. Good versus evil. How has that been since the session?

Amanda:

I did see money as a necessary evil, because I was receiving messaging that I couldn't pursue what I viewed to be a life calling because. of money. I think I was confused because that didn't feel right to me, but that was so ingrained in me. And so instead of trying to parse it out, I did something that felt like an ostrich syndrome where I buried my head in the sand and tried to pretend that I didn't have to, decide one way or the other. My conversation with Ellen really parsed out how deeply ingrained that burying head in the sand really, encompassed to the extent now that I have young children too. And we talked about this, right? Like how, if I'm burying my head in the sand with regards to money, how am I supposed to instill in my children, any sort of positive messaging or lessons about money and I want to be it was really hard in the session because I was so confused about how to respond. But it's been really positive after the fact because it's encouraging me to do some deep reflection that feels really hard, but it's really helpful to have, the messaging, from money, through Ellen. And I think, feels really important to do with my kids. And myself, if I need my kids as an excuse, okay, but for myself too

Ellen:

So let's continue on with this. You will be a wonderful support for your children over time as they witness your commitment to them and to your work. As they see how you are there for them and for others. They will also learn self reliance. This is about you stepping into being employed again or starting your own business or whatever that looks like. They will also learn self reliance in a way they would not if you stayed with them full time all the time. Please don't worry about this. Yes, it will be an adjustment for everyone at first, but this too will be good for the family to work through changing roles and expectations. Then money said, let's start with our relationship. Do you sometimes see me as a necessary evil? There's something that I do to pollute people when I'm in their lives

Amanda:

It's funny. I feel like my relationship with money is so complex that I'm not entirely sure I would know how to describe it. My dialogue with my parents was often you can't do what you want to do because you need to find a way to make money. So I guess I would, yes, I would answer yes.

Ellen:

We're going to go into your relationship with money in a little bit. I prefer that you see me as a loving, valuable resource when it seems if I change people in less than excellent ways, it's not about me. It's about the lessons they need to learn this lifetime. If you could see me as a really good friend. And as a partner, it will help us work together. I am here for you. If you believe this, that you could be good friends and a partner with money and lived into this space, how would things be different in our relationship? So if you believe money was there for you as a partner, can you maybe step into that space a bit and see how things might look or feel differently than they do now?

Amanda:

Yeah. I feel like, it's an ostrich syndrome. Put my head in the sand. If it was a friendship and a partnership, I think I wouldn't do that.

Ellen:

it's helpful to be thinking about money as something that you have a relationship with that goes both ways. So I'm hearing gratitude it's great. We've been saving money. He's been there for us. And I want to bring this in the other side is if we made the metaphor that it's a relationship, what I also heard you say so far is I'm scared of it, or it's scary. The whole thing is scary. And that you've buried your head in the sand a bit. What are ways that you could be a better friend to money that you care for it? And you pay attention like you've done to some extent in the past, without it being. Awful and knowing you don't have to track every single penny every single day.

Amanda:

I feel like it would be helpful to have a plan. Yeah. And I, again, it's so hard because I wouldn't say that to my friend, right? I wouldn't be I think our friendship is going to be better if we could have a plan for our friendship.

Ellen:

You would say we need to make plans together. Otherwise, I'm never going to see you yeah, that's true. That's true. Like we need to spend some time together. Then I asked what if anything needs healing in your relationship with Amanda so is there anything out there that you and money need to heal. Money, how would you love to see your relationship going forward? I will be there for her and she will easily be able to call me into their family's life. The more she is focused on serving in her work and serving her family without guilt or stress, the easier it will be for her to bring me in. She's quite skilled at calling me in. It's a matter of turning the spigot on for her. It might feel stuck and hard to turn now, but it merely needs a little oil to turn the knob. So like you're going to be able to do this. There's just this little bit of stuck energy, but the oil relates to positive expectations that a you can totally do this in a way that works for everyone in your life. So not Oh my God, I won't be there for my kids. And B, the more you can meditate journal or whatever contemplative practice you have on the positive feelings on this transition that will be smooth the easier it will be. So the more you can meditate journal and or contemplate the positive feeling on this transition being smooth the easier it will be because it feels like there's this like this is going to be hard. And how am I going to do this? Cause you've been out of the workforce for a while and home with your kids. And now forcing the spigot might bring in a quick, big flow, but not an easy transition. So boom, I got this big job. And then all of a sudden, like things are not easy. It's like turning on a fire hydrant. So instead a slow easy turn will turn the flow on in a way to absorb more quickly, for example, starting very part time to ensure it's a good fit and ease into the transition.

El:

Have you noticed any physical shifts after the session changes in your energy or that you feel, lighter or resolved about certain things

Amanda:

I did have a moment of clarity where I saw, a clear path of my professional dreams and endeavors since I was a child, even lining up in a straight line to now and being like, This all occurred and you're ready, you are poised and ready to, progress to tackle this next thing. And I haven't really had that yet and it felt really nice. And it's fleeting. There have been moments where it's gone away, but, It was there.

Krista:

That's amazing.

Ellen:

Amanda that thought of I want to do good in the world but I can't have money and do well in the world and I really got how that is such, logical way. It would keep somebody stuck from moving ahead too, because I don't want to just do law the way I was doing before that wasn't right. But I want to do well. And so to, release that struggle oh, they're not mutually exclusive and there are ways to make money and do well in the world. Or there's ways to make money that I feel good about and do well in the world, other ways to. That feels like an important realization that you've had to release that to be able to move ahead more quickly as well.

Amanda:

Yeah, I totally agree. And the other thing that you offered, Ellen, that was very helpful in that regard was action is the antidote for you right now. If I'm just butting heads, nothing's gonna give, but even just the tiniest actions can start moving the energy in my mind. Maybe it's not going to be an immediate aha release, but more, gradient keep moving. It's going to release.

Ellen:

The visual I just had, as you were saying that if all of a sudden it was totally released, then you would, if someone's pushing against you and they walk away, then you fall forward. Instead of you butting heads with money, what if it was walking alongside of you and you could move ahead quickly together? So it doesn't mean it has to take a long time, but it's not necessarily just that it just goes away, but that you create more of a partnership versus just releasing that whole belief.

Amanda:

I like that.

Krista:

What I've learned is that money is a powerful spiritual teacher and can have a really huge influence and effect on your self worth in positive ways and negative ways, even shifts in perspective. I think I knew that, but never considered that money wants to provide and support us as it is helping us learn and grow. Would you agree that we can see money as a guide to our true calling or our true happiness?

Ellen:

Yeah. I would say money wants to be your friend and be your partner in this process and see you doing great things in the world.

Krista:

It's a whole different way to live, right?

Ellen:

For sure.

El:

One thing that's always, irked me. So Ellen, I'm curious of your take on this, this happens all the time, in the holistic world where you'll see energy exchange, and I'm like, just Say that it's your rate because you deserve to be paid money for what you're doing. I'm curious to see what you think about that approach for calling a fee that you certainly deserve an energy exchange.

Ellen:

I would say that the underlying misaligned belief might be it's not spiritual to make money. That they're mutually exclusive. It's probably the cousin to Amanda's, previously unexamined, belief. You can't make money and do good in the world. They're probably cousins and lots of people feel like that, which is, not true. It's not a true belief. I'm not saying that there's not people out there that are dishonest or doing things that don't make sense or aren't good with money. Of course, there is. And then that's there. Either money's not going to be around for them for longer, then they're going to learn lessons in a way that might be less than excellent. Or maybe there's just not the happiness or contentment like you can have scarcity thoughts and not have the right approach to money and still have a lot of it. But doesn't mean you'll have contentment or great relationships. So L that belief, I think calling it an energy exchange or feeling like it's not okay to charge a certain amount. isn't one that necessarily makes sense. And If you don't charge enough, people aren't necessarily going to get the same value. Because we have been brought up thinking when things are more expensive, there's more value there or they pay more attention. I've been in programs that have been very expensive and I did it very deliberately a, I trusted them and knew they knew what they were doing. But I also knew if I invested that money, I do the work if they had charged me 200. I would have been like, yeah, maybe I'd start and then blow it off. That's what I personally do with a lot of online courses. I know I'm not good at following through on stuff like that. So often for me, I want to invest in things, of course, with people I trust, but that energy exchange isn't necessarily serving that person. That is a false belief. It's one thing if you want to donate your services to people that truly can't afford it, that's a different kind of conversation.

Krista:

I actually like calling it an energy exchange because I like thinking of money as energy. That's my little thing, but when I first heard that I was a little, or I need to change my website because it says that on my website.

Ellen:

But as long as here's the thing, I think there can be if it is a fair energy exchange that you're getting compensated for the value that you're adding. Then I think it's semantics. And if it feels good, it's okay.

Krista:

Ellen, tell me what type of people come to you, for this work.

Ellen:

Yeah, I have clients, all over the world, which is cool. People are really interested in this type of work in Australia and New Zealand. They tend to be people certainly that are open to this work, but also they tend to be more self employed or in roles where they're the people wanting to find easier or other ways to make money or Like Amanda, who's stepping back into the workforce or getting clarity on that. I would say is probably 90 to 95 percent of the people that I've worked with once in a while, it's someone, who's been in a transition and they want to step in, in a more powerful way with money, maybe they're getting a divorce or they're a new widow, or widower, so open tend to be really generous people I love when I can help people get more clarity, figure out ways to charge appropriately, get rid of blocks that might be inhibiting their ability to move ahead with money and having a desire to have a better relationship with money. So it's not something that is. Stressful and a block for them.

Krista:

You noticed that more people are open and available to energy work or light work, however you want to characterize it?

Ellen:

The interesting thing where I've noticed it, I was, Very quiet about this work that I did. It used to be a hidden page on my website. This is the kind of work I do with individuals, but on a more speaking scale. I do a lot of work in financial services and I'm like, I was very worried about people thinking I was weird or too out there and not grounded and I couldn't give them good business advice and through some encouragement of just being more comfortable in this role that I have. I've been way more open and I don't know, 80%, 90 percent of the time when I share with someone like, Hey, I do intuitive money work. They lean in and want to know more. And if it's not for them, they're like, Oh, okay. And we talked about the next thing. I mean, I did a workshop for 17, super, uber wealthy guys. And it was on their relationship with their partner, with money. And I told them, I'm like, Hey, I talked to money and it talks back. And if that doesn't make sense to you, this is a helpful metaphor. We all have a relationship with money and they were all okay with it. And that was a huge risk for me to do that. Um, Stood up in front of 500 financial advisors and said, Hey, I do this. one woman came up to me afterwards and said, so you channel messages from money. Oh, yeah. And everyone else if it's not for them, but way more people are interested and open to this than. I think talk about it.

Krista:

That's got to be so exciting to see it grow. And I'm sure you're skill around it or your practice within it, has changed a bit in order to be able to create the space for it or the actual channel for it. Have you noticed that as well?

Ellen:

Yeah. And I think it, it comes from a trust level also an experience level that it's helpful for people. And, yeah, I'm way more, comfortable delivering messages than maybe I was. At the beginning, I think they were still helpful for people at the beginning and, you know, I'm pursuing learning ways to do this at an even deeper level. I'm working with some teachers on that, but I feel really good about it. And I also feel good that all those years of being a financial advisor, which I did really good work. I love my clients. It was never. Work that was my heart work. It was the speaking and the writing and that, which was a bit now looking back, I'm like, Oh I have all that experience to bring me to this point. So not only the intuitive experience, but I ran a really good business and I know a lot about money. So it brings that practical experience to the sessions as well.

Krista:

You had mentioned during the session that people process in different ways. Some people get it right away. Some people come back, days or weeks or months later. Have you noticed any kind of pattern with that? Is there anything that you can speak to with how people process this type of energetic work,

Ellen:

I think people process. In the time that makes sense for them. And sometimes when we make shifts, we don't even realize that they're happening. So sometimes I'll finish a session with someone and someone will go, oh, I feel so much better. That was great. Or their money mantras, usually I hear that's really great when they hear their money mantra, which is just a message that gets downloaded for someone to be thinking about. So I asked if there was a money mantra for you and what came back is my relationship with money is joyful and easy, which feels different than stressful and guilt ridden. My relationship with money is joyful and easy. I didn't even realize till after the first year I was doing this more on a regular basis, the transformation was even happening for people because if I didn't talk to them, I didn't know. And then I was talking to a friend and I said, Oh, I was on a podcast. And someone said, Oh, do you have a good story to tell? And I, I didn't have a great one. She's oh my God, tell my story. Ever since I worked with you, I've quadrupled my rates and my business is better than ever. It was like, really? I didn't know that. And then there's another woman who I went back with after a year. I'm like, Hey, just checking in, seeing if another session would be helpful. She goes, I'm good. I used to worry all the time about money and I don't worry about it anymore. Look, that's awesome. That's what I'd love to hear.

Krista:

It's why you do this work, I'm guessing,

Ellen:

yeah, I really love to help people ease their suffering around money. And when I say that, sometimes people think, Oh, that's for people that are overspenders and they have tons of debt. And those aren't actually the people that I work with very often at all. It's really people who have money in their life or want to bring more in and want to do good in the world. And those are people that I know I can support in just a variety of ways. So. I feel very grateful that money has chosen me as one of the people that it talks through. I know I'm not the only one, but it feels really like a gift and this is really why I left my financial advisory practices to make a bigger impact for people.

Krista:

Thank you so much. Thank you for doing that. You said something beautiful about the type of people you attract or. That you choose to attract people that you,

Ellen:

I may have said they're generous, conscious people.

Krista:

I thought that was interesting That that's who you know, you're attracting.

Ellen:

I feel like I attracted the right people in my financial advisory practice. They were really good savers. They weren't over spenders. Not that there's anything wrong with people that have spending issues. They're just not the people that I'm most meant to serve. And that I think when we are clear on who we're most meant to serve, and we can draw those people to us, we get to do our best work. And that was a process that I learned. Consciously, while I have my advisory practice and now I'm just trusting the right people are going to come through and they all happen. I haven't had any people that have an awful relationship with money that don't want to fix it.

Krista:

I think that's a wonderful thought to pose to Energy workers or people in general that you can really draw in or attract people that you can really help. And you don't have to muddle through difficulties if it's not going to serve you, if it's not going to teach you.

Ellen:

Or help them. Yeah,

Krista:

yeah, exactly. That really pinged me that you had that acknowledgement or that awareness and that it was all working so well for you and in your favor and in their favors. Tell us as an energy worker, a light worker, tell me what your spiritual practices are. How do you keep in alignment?

Ellen:

I think my biggest one is meditation. I can't not meditate When I first learned I don't know, call it 18 years ago. I learned, a mantra based meditation. Then I was trained in TM. And then I actually did teacher training with the search inside yourself leadership Institute, which was the mindfulness program that came out of Google, which is more mindfulness based. So it depends what kind of mood I'm in. Usually in the mornings, I'll just focus on my breath. Sometimes I'll do a loving kindness meditation. If I'm feeling a little. Not so loving kind of cranky. And I love your breath work Krista has these amazing sessions that she does around doing breath work. And I find that so helpful to move stuff through and to get grounded. I find that it's a beautiful practice.

Krista:

Thank you. Elle did the music for that,

Ellen:

which is fabulous.

Krista:

Amanda, how are you feeling? Anything you'd like to add or share?

Amanda:

Now I am just beyond grateful to be sitting here with you three.

El:

Do you have any steps going forward that you plan to take based on this?

Amanda:

Yeah, we're meeting with the financial planner. My husband actually has spoken with her, as well, and we both loved her. She was the best feeling for both of us. So we're meeting with her next week and we've tried incredibly hard to find a financial planner, and we've met with a gajillion so that felt huge for us. Yeah, I'm hopeful that if I can keep putting one foot in front of the other. With these small actions that the energy is going to start opening up and I'm going to be able to move into a space where I can serve and, support my family. I guess the only other thing I would say too is I loved, Ellen encouraged, the notion of generosity, proceeding, prosperity, and so encouraged, charitable giving and that being a way of moving energy. And I really loved that and did that as well to two organizations that, that we loved.

Krista:

Ellen, you say that in a very specific way remind me what it is,

Ellen:

Amanda said it, generosity precedes prosperity. So often people say, oh when I have money I'll give back, and that actually makes me a little cringy. I want people to give forward, not more than you can afford to do. anyone listening to this probably can afford to help somebody else with in some way, whether it's someone they know or a charity that's important to them. And what it does is it helps us loosen our grip on money. And then, if you're clasping so hard, it's hard to receive. But if you loosen your grip a bit, it's easier to bring money in.

Krista:

All right. Thank you so much Ellen. Tell us where to find you. Tell us what you have coming up.

Ellen:

Sure. You can find me@ellenrogan.com and if you want information on messages from money, you can also go to messages from money.com and I'm very excited. I have a new book coming out called Messages From Money, how to Stress Less, prosper More, and Reshape Your Relationship with Money. And if you go to ellenrogan. com forward slash goodies, you can download a free copy of my first book, great with money. And there's some other resources there for you as well.

Krista:

See how generous you are. That's amazing. Thank you so much.

Ellen:

It's really fun to be able to do this and I don't usually get to debrief sessions right away like this so I appreciate that opportunity. To do that,

Krista:

thank you so much for your time I was blown away by all this thank you. Yeah,

El:

so interesting.

Ellen:

Yeah. And Amanda, thank you for your openness to do this and Krista for you wanting to do this and Elle for all the work you do.

Krista:

Thanks Amanda. I'll talk to you soon.

El:

Enjoy your day guys.

Krista:

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